This is a discussion (part 2) at face book that held between brother Qaiser Shehzad APML (Pervaiz Musharraf’s supporter) and Javed Akmal (a neutral youth analyst as ME). The discussion rose on Musharraf new plan for coming into Pak politics once again by arranging a public meeting in Birmingham on 2nd October Saturday 2010. The topic of discussion is “Role of Musharraf in missing persons’ case and whether public should support his political revival”. The discussion reveals many facts and hypothesis. The discussion is bit interesting but there is repetition of arguments and also many diversions. At the end it is a fruitful discussion that has at least reached some point of agreement. The admin has received this discussion by brother Javed Akmal who is a part of discussion.
10:47pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Hello sir
10:47pmQaisar
Hello
Salam
10:50pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Can we resume our discussion again there?
10:50pmQaisar
I think no at this time dude
10:51pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Ok
10:51pmQaisar
But I love to talk with u positive discussion
10:51pmMe (Javed Akmal)
I look too
10:51pmQaisar
Actually educated people should discuss matter of the country
10:52pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Yup definitely and we were discussing matter of our country
10:52pmQaisar
Yeah
This should be decided that pervez musharraf did handed over these people to America or not
Because it is serious issue
10:53pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Hmmm
10:54pmQaisar
But he is better than Imran Khan
Q league is khusra league
Cannot face challenges
N league is also na-mard league
Looking forward to see merger of Imran and musharraf
Musharraf is great diplomat
And Imran khan has lot of youth with him
10:55pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Listen bro a ruler is always accountable on his subjects; the recent murder of innocent boys is also a guilty for our present rulers
10:55pmQaisar
Yeah
System should be changed
It will change slowly
I think it has started to change
10:56pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Yes that’s what I am saying but it will never change slowly
10:56pmQaisar
Now media is doing naked to people
Media is another musharraf given product
10:56pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Imran khan and musharraf both are not to be trusted as they are the product of this system
10:56pmQaisar
Now people are fed up from this corrupt politician
No
10:57pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Yes that’s what I say we need change
10:57pmQaisar
Imran is not part of this system
While musharraf has come from a disciplined organization
He has great quality to face foreign media
10:57pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Imran is participating in this system bro he is a part
10:58pmQaisar
When he was in power he did shut up mouth of foreign media
When he went in India, he did shut up everyone
10:58pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Brother we are not moving in right direction our difference was did mushy handed people to US or not??
10:59pmQaisar
I don’t think he is responsible
Because this mentality produced in eighties
10:59pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Well it’s not the way you think understand the reality
10:59pmQaisar
Nawaz and Zia made these banned organization
In their time Shia were killed
You know 80,000 Shia has been killed since Pakistan independence
11:00pmMe (Javed Akmal)
When we say Nawaz was responsible of handing the missing ones similarly we will have to accept that mushy handed the people
11:00pmQaisar
80,000 people killed for freedom of Kashmir
11:00pmMe (Javed Akmal)
She’s killing not our discussion at the moment
11:01pmQaisar
Ok
11:01pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Our discussion should be focused and productive
Kashmir is also not our discussion at the moment
11:01pmQaisar
Dear musharraf did not handed over these people directly
11:01pmMe (Javed Akmal)
I am not talking whether he did directly or indirectly
He is the one ruling at the moment or not??
11:03pmQaisar
These people were picked up from Afghanistan
Dear I know u want to change
Like me
But who is the man we can trust?
11:03pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Dear brother I have shared a link of missing persons
11:03pmQaisar
Yeah I saw
500
They went for jihad and picked up by America
And saying musharraf guilty for this
11:04pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Please see the link again
11:05pmQaisar
Musharraf allowed them to fight in Kashmir
But they did not fight there
11:05pmMe (Javed Akmal)
This is a baseless propaganda mushy has spread to justify him
Please see the link it is prepared by a human right org
11:05pmQaisar
I don’t think it is baseless
Yeah
I know
But why they people went to Afghanistan
11:06pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Please see the link bro don’t trust myths
11:06pmQaisar
I have seen
11:07pmMe (Javed Akmal)
What you find there?
All individual are highly graduated some of them belong to Pak army background
Further their arrest from Pak is also recorded in that list
There all the details provided from where they are missing
11:09pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Yes?? Are coming with me on THz??
That they are arrested from Pak??
11:10pmQaisar
jhoot bolty hein
Human rights ko kuch pata nahn
11:10pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Dude you are blindly supporting him
11:10pmQaisar
mere phi aik janny wala hai
11:10pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Bhai don’t tell yr stories
11:10pmQaisar
woo Afghanistan gia hua hai aur yahan missing person mein hai
11:11pmMe (Javed Akmal)
I also know many persons missing from Pakistan
11:11pmQaisar
why they missed?
11:11pmMe (Javed Akmal)
there legal arrest was recorded by their families and huge public
11:11pmQaisar
why they were arrested
11:12pmMe (Javed Akmal)
no one knows why they missed husband of Amna Jaguwa was just a religious person from military background and he was missed from
Pak
their family receives threat call by agencies not to disclose them in public
the kid of manna jaguar a little boy was beaten publicly brutally by agencies
11:13pmQaisar
agencies are not under control of anyone
11:13pmMe (Javed Akmal)
I know it personally because I know her I met her personally
11:14pmQaisar
dr. afia ki maa bhi yehi kehti hai wo innocent hai
11:14pmMe (Javed Akmal)
I don’t know bro this is in reply of yr statement that all of them went Afghanistan
11:14pmQaisar
us ky shohar ke questions ka jawab nahn detee
11:14pmMe (Javed Akmal)
of course because the story is fabricated
11:15pmQaisar
not fabricated
11:15pmMe (Javed Akmal)
as a ruler mushy was actually accountable of this
11:15pmQaisar
reality is being fabricated
11:15pmMe (Javed Akmal)
why did he allow people going Afghanistan??
11:15pmQaisar
yeah as a ruler he is accountable
11:15pmMe (Javed Akmal)
reality is manipulated by these regimes
11:15pmQaisar
u can say as ruler he is responsible
but agencies pick people in every region
11:16pmMe (Javed Akmal)
he is the most responsible as the ruler
11:16pmQaisar
yeah
11:16pmMe (Javed Akmal)
agencies also work under Pak got by the way
11:16pmQaisar
no they don’t
11:17pmMe (Javed Akmal)
when our policy was against India agencies were working India when we made a u turn agencies turned to religious people
can you neglect the services of ISI in India?? sick movement support??
11:17pmQaisar
no
but it is still going on
Hafiz Saeed is doing the same
11:18pmMe (Javed Akmal)
the major focus of agencies today rest in Pak itself
who hafiz saeed?
11:18pmQaisar
yeah
president of jamat-ud-dawa
he had musharraf full support
11:19pmMe (Javed Akmal)
what he is doing??
I know
and also josh ne Muhammad
11:19pmQaisar
if u hears him he will tell full story
11:19pmMe (Javed Akmal)
who were present in lal masjid
dude he manipulates things you know joshed Muhammad , jam at us dada are banned and are fully backed by army??
11:20pmQaisar
he is fighting for Kashmir
11:21pmMe (Javed Akmal)
don’t tell me fabricated stories do you know the two org is backed by army??
are they backed or not??
11:21pmQaisar
jamat ud dawah
is supported
but jash e Mohammad not
11:22pmMe (Javed Akmal)
brother jesh ne Muhammad is also backed by army
might be not by mushy wing
but some other
11:23pmQaisar
it might be possible
because they kill shia
11:24pmMe (Javed Akmal)
I don’t think so they kill shia
11:24pmQaisar
and against them here is hatred
11:24pmMe (Javed Akmal)
anyways might be they do
11:24pmQaisar
dude they actually kill
11:24pmMe (Javed Akmal)
ok
11:25pmQaisar
go and say prayers in mosques of lashkar-e-taiba
11:25pmMe (Javed Akmal)
I am not their supporter perhaps they are used
listen bro people who play these vicious back door games should not be supported any ways
on 1 hand mushy says he is a secular and on the other hand he is supporting a jihad outfit
11:26pmQaisar
dude jamat-ud-dawa
11:26pmMe (Javed Akmal)
on one end he betrayed Kashmir, by saying that we can withdraw our stance
11:26pmQaisar
is for national interest
11:27pmMe (Javed Akmal)
and on the other hand he is supporting Kashmir issue
this is merely a fake story to gain public support
people know him he has betrayed Kashmir
11:27pmQaisar
no brother
hafiz saeed says jumbo in choburgee
go and hear him
11:28pmMe (Javed Akmal)
he takes a u turn his video of making a u turn is there on you tube
I don’t want to talk about hafiz saeed he may be a sincere man but he is used by American puppets at the end of the day
11:29pmQaisar
dude u did not understand the diplomacy
11:29pmMe (Javed Akmal)
this diplomacy is munafakat
such diplomats can deceive you as well
be sharp
11:31pmMe (Javed Akmal)
one hand mushy has taken a historic withdrawal on Kashmir and on the other hand he is supporting jam at us dada to gain public support
what you say on this munafakat??
Brother I look forward 4 yr reply as I know you are a sincere man
11:33pmMe (Javed Akmal)
??
Awaiting 4 yr prompt reply
11:34pmQaisar
dude going to do dinner
Will answer u
I am not running
11:34pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Ok
11:34pmQaisar
And not bored
11:34pmMe (Javed Akmal)
See you then Allah hafiz
11:34pmQaisar
It is interesting
Ok Allah hafiz
11:34pmMe (Javed Akmal)
Yup at least we should know the faces of these politicians….